This is BS

So I'd like to ask something, Is Kai the only way to counter genjutsu apart from inflicting pain?

I think that's no.

To be honest, I think genjutsu needs to be edited, it makes the genjutsu user invincible cause a genin ranked shinobi can actually kill a kage with the right D rank genjutsu, and he will be forced to wait until the genin does that, why on earth must the nullifier of a genjutsu be a genjutsu user?
I believe that every skill point is balanced, that's why every skill point can be evaded and escaped, the way skills are graded on this site, it means that you can escape every single jutsu of a skill the opponent has if you have the stats and jutsus for the job.
But in the case of Genjutsu, that isn't the case, the fact that you don't have genjutsu doesn't mean that you can't stop it, if that system keeps working, people will lash out, I'm not the first to voice this out, but I'm the first to actually put it in a thread. Getting caught in a genjutsu automatically ends the fight if you're not a gen user, and the truth is, not everyone can have gen, not everyone desires it, but they're being forced to add it to their update sheet because they want a fair fight.
"A genjutsu is created when a ninja controls
the chakra flow of a target's cerebral nervous
system, thereby affecting their five senses.
This is frequently used to create false images
and/or trick the body into believing its has
experienced physical pain. Genjutsu can also
be used to manipulate others - similar to
brainwashing - by feeding the victim illusive
suggestions"


The least harmful option for combatting
genjutsu is for the ninja to stop the flow of
chakra in their body, and then apply an even
stronger power to disrupt the flow of the
genjutsu user's chakra; this is called Genjutsu
Kai. With additional training, this can also be
done by an unaffected ninja by applying a
sudden surge of chakra into the affected
person
.

With what I typed earlier, why can't the art one body fist blow stop genjutsu?. I mean, if you look deeply in genjutsu, all you have to do is expel the chakra out and have refined chakra control, I was surprised when staff voided bastian's post, weren't hyuugas stated to be the best at controlling and expelling chakra, and with the definition above, why can't the Gentle Fist: Art One Body Blow counter genjutsu, all you have to do is push the chakra being used for the gen out, and he made sure that he stated that in his post. So why was it eventually voided, was there a reason to this or was it just because he lacks genjutsu skills.
Let me remind you of something, chakra control is all you need for cancelling genjutsu.
Answer this.

1. Is Jiraiya skilled in the art of genjutsu
2. Is jiraiya capable of performing Kai

Ew

Lol. That's a funny response

Not gonna lie to you I didn't even read it.

Completely unrelated but darny your 13?

Come on guys, let us all grab a mug of ale and party at a strip club.

this hurts my religion.

as a genjutsu user, i'm with darny.. it is out of control, same for fuin... actually kinda disappointed all ya'll want to do is ridicule this.

and to your 2 questions.

1.) yeah he kinda was. Even had sage mode genjutsu, although those were mostly done through summons.
2.) yes he could.

I think we need a ability system. Something that gives people some passive abilities that don't cost chakra to activate. Like enhanced sense to simulate kiba's scent tracking, or One-handed hand signs, stuff along that nature.. For this we could make one, Knowledge: Genjutsu Rank ____ each rank would both give a person the ability to detect genjutsu easier as well as add +1 to their kai usage and give xp/wc discounts to learning. And to be balanced, we could also have Knowledge: Ninjutsu where each rank makes foregin ninjutsu easier to learn, and makes the hand seals easier to identify, allowing one to predict at the very least the element of the jutsu being prepared based on the sequence of the seals. stuff like that.

Vaati wrote:

as a genjutsu user, i'm with darny.. it is out of control, same for fuin...   actually kinda disappointed all ya'll want to do is ridicule this.

and to your 2 questions.

1.) yeah he kinda was. Even had sage mode genjutsu, although those were mostly done through summons.
2.) yes he could.

I think we need a ability system. Something that gives people some passive abilities that don't cost chakra to activate. Like enhanced sense to simulate kiba's scent tracking, or One-handed hand signs, stuff along that nature..  For this we could make one, Knowledge: Genjutsu Rank ____   each rank would both give a person the ability to detect genjutsu easier as well as add +1 to their kai usage and give xp/wc discounts to learning. And to be balanced, we could also have Knowledge: Ninjutsu where each rank makes foregin ninjutsu easier to learn, and makes the hand seals easier to identify, allowing one to predict at the very least the element of the jutsu being prepared based on the sequence of the seals. stuff like that.

Kinda like D&D? Like say the higher stat you are in tracking you find more tracks for example.

yeah, actually..... good analogy... ability points could be bought with ryo, to give ryo more usage or something. make it more akin to paying npc to teach you stuff.

No thank you. No abilities.
Darny, you're very uncreative .-. Like, bland, null, white canvas.. Maybe a black spot here and there.
If you were creative enough you'd find ways to beat genjutsu, being a genjutsu user isn't the *only* way to get out of a genjutsu. Thank you, goodnight

Hey, there is nothing wrong with a white canvas D:

#feels.

I know man, I now.

I used to read that all the time. On NN my pet tiger was named Hobbes

Ryan wrote:

I used to read that all the time. On NN my pet tiger was named Hobbes

*Instant Respect for Ryan*

Pain and disrupting your chakra, amirite?

you didnt have no tiger on nexus you damn dirty slandering sunofa bitch

He did lol ~
Ya kid

Really? do you still have a link?

Ryujin wrote:

No thank you. No abilities.
Darny, you're very uncreative .-. Like, bland, null, white canvas.. Maybe a black spot here and there.
If you were creative enough you'd find ways to beat genjutsu, being a genjutsu user isn't the *only* way to get out of a genjutsu. Thank you, goodnight

I thought this site forbids trolling

I don't think you understand what trolling means. And I totally had a pet tiger named Hobbes on NN. I raised him from E to S rank. Ryu had a wolf and they played together

Ryujin wrote:

No thank you. No abilities.
Darny, you're very uncreative .-. Like, bland, null, white canvas.. Maybe a black spot here and there.
If you were creative enough you'd find ways to beat genjutsu, being a genjutsu user isn't the *only* way to get out of a genjutsu. Thank you, goodnight

I used a creative way, but was informed that there are already to many ways to escape gen thus mines didn't count. Just for the record

Straight from wiki

Neji Hyūga noted that any chakra-based substance can be destroyed by this technique.
~Unless gen isn't a chakra based substance~


The ability to inflict severe internal trauma with minimal external force, combined with chakra network manipulation, makes the Gentle Fist the most reputable and fearsome taijutsu style known in all of Konohagakure.
~Chakra network manipulation would suggest my plan worked.~

Also, staff that are in a thread should have no say over rulings. This is especially true for fights. Its a bad look and no matter how unbiased they are, it will appear they are helping themselves.

While were on the subject of gen. Gen jutsu that can become real on a whim? So if a three headed dragon illusion gen is made the user can potentially create dragons? How is my use of a jutsu even an issue in comparison? This gen basically makes so any element can be used, any jutsu (if its been seen before and the user is just remaking an illusion version of what he has seen), or even turn large areas of an occupied village into a magma filled wasteland.

Or habit a jutsu that breaks the "no exit if your under immediate attack" rule.

To be honest, from the outside looking in this entire ruling seems biased since I discovered a way to make gen useless against me (Hyuuga) and those like me (other Hyuuga). Every skill or ability has a natural enemy, even the byakugan. Gen may have a bunch of ways to escape, but that shouldn't mean denying ways that make sense. You discourage others from wanting to try and be creative.

Also in regards to Will's comparison is the cbox yesterday, couldn't respond properly with all the comments popping up. But the Hyuga's chakra control is like their bread and butter. So to have the control to expel chakra like that is theirs alone. A fire ball jutsu or whatever massive blast based jutsu would not work the same. When I said burst, I referred to the force of the expelled chakra from the 361 tenketsu. A basic shinobi would not have the same control thus they NEED kai to at least affect the infected area (either mind or senses). The One Body Technique is the entire body at once, only hyuga can do that. And its stronger than a basic kai.

I understand you all want to maintain the stat and skill system, but yoy have to take into account that somethings have natural weaknesses. One of Gens weakness is a Hyuga, while an Uchiha or Yamanaka is a gens best friend. The ruling has been made, just wanted to get my uninterrupted two cent out.

Just for the record, this is why I would not edit. I cant agree to edit when I know I used my jutsu correctly. And also one Body does not require me to be hit to use. Its just a convenient way to stop a hit before using the Rotation. A combo set up. It can be used before being struck to brace for such an impact, hitting the ground from a 30 meter drop for example.

By the way, if were cracking down on jutsu then it should be fair and all jutsu should be re-looked at. So far us newer members are getting heavy moderation, but I know I can pull three or more vague description or overpowered jutsu from every staff members application.

My two cent though.

Ryan wrote:

I don't think you understand what trolling means. And I totally had a pet tiger named Hobbes on NN. I raised him from E to S rank. Ryu had a wolf and they played together

I saw that but the picture did not look like Hobbes. I just though of something, if we had a pet system you should totally bring him over and have him be a apart of your clan :3